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		<title>By: dahcredyns</title>
		<link>http://www.hybridcarblog.com/intended-acceleration-toyota-hybrids-were-always-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-3942</link>
		<dc:creator>dahcredyns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you, alcatholic! It&#039;s always nice to catch a break as a consumer.

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Interesting government comments.  Obviously, even when the government has good intentions, there are still often ulterior motives, such as the maintenance of power, kickbacks, pork, etc. Unfortunately, such ulterior motives always lead to an un-level playing field. 

Certainly, many governments around the world embrace protectionist policies, but such policies don&#039;t seem beneficial to America these days. Technological competition around the world is increasing at a rate that simply will move much faster than Congress can react to - which is already too late. While business at the speed of light is hyperbole, technology at the speed of light is almost accurate.

Inevitably, almost anything is possible these days. Technological change is exponential, unpredictable and uncontrollable.

It seems to me that we have no choice but to incite competition towards societal-beneficial goals via as level a playing field as possible. In terms of the auto industry, such competition is the only thing that will make the domestic side of the US auto industry competitive with the rest of the world into the future.

At times, that might hurt one of the Big 3, a union worker, etc., but in the long run I don&#039;t think America has a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you, alcatholic! It&#8217;s always nice to catch a break as a consumer.</p>
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<p>Interesting government comments.  Obviously, even when the government has good intentions, there are still often ulterior motives, such as the maintenance of power, kickbacks, pork, etc. Unfortunately, such ulterior motives always lead to an un-level playing field. </p>
<p>Certainly, many governments around the world embrace protectionist policies, but such policies don&#8217;t seem beneficial to America these days. Technological competition around the world is increasing at a rate that simply will move much faster than Congress can react to &#8211; which is already too late. While business at the speed of light is hyperbole, technology at the speed of light is almost accurate.</p>
<p>Inevitably, almost anything is possible these days. Technological change is exponential, unpredictable and uncontrollable.</p>
<p>It seems to me that we have no choice but to incite competition towards societal-beneficial goals via as level a playing field as possible. In terms of the auto industry, such competition is the only thing that will make the domestic side of the US auto industry competitive with the rest of the world into the future.</p>
<p>At times, that might hurt one of the Big 3, a union worker, etc., but in the long run I don&#8217;t think America has a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: alcatholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>alcatholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I must say I benefited from the Toyota bashing.  Our leased Prius came with a pretty low monthly payment, and two years free maintenance.  The dealer finance guy claimed that Toyota had never offered free maintenance before, that usually only luxury brands offer free maintenance, and that Toyota was only doing so to try to win back customer support.  

I never believed the anti-Toyota PR, but I was happy to take advantage of the offers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I must say I benefited from the Toyota bashing.  Our leased Prius came with a pretty low monthly payment, and two years free maintenance.  The dealer finance guy claimed that Toyota had never offered free maintenance before, that usually only luxury brands offer free maintenance, and that Toyota was only doing so to try to win back customer support.  </p>
<p>I never believed the anti-Toyota PR, but I was happy to take advantage of the offers.</p>
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		<title>By: sheckyvegas</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheckyvegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, the US Government sunk billions of dollars into the crippled US auto industry, all for the sake of propping up the &quot;ripple&quot; effect of a well-paid long-term work force. (You union-bashers hold your words for another board.) The idea being a well-paid worker will buy that new TV, suit, ham dinner, etc, and thus support our consumer economy.
By bashing Toyota in typical rush-to-judgement style, they were attempting to turn the American consumer eye toward American-made products. They did it in a half-assed way and it half-assed worked.
But, as Larry said, the 24/7 news cycle can result in serious damage and after reports came out about the death rate of SUV roll-overs, that consumers STILL preferred Toyotas, and the scams certain citizens were perpetrating on Toyota, that damage came back to bite Congress in the ass.
The US auto industry will never return to its former glory but congress has deep pockets and likes to have them filled. Until we get the industry focused on altfuel vehicles, EV or whatever, be prepared to see another circus like this come to town when somebody complains their Honda hybrid suddenly lunged forward or their smartcar has a &quot;funny&quot; smell.
Sometimes the inmates do run the asylum...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, the US Government sunk billions of dollars into the crippled US auto industry, all for the sake of propping up the &#8220;ripple&#8221; effect of a well-paid long-term work force. (You union-bashers hold your words for another board.) The idea being a well-paid worker will buy that new TV, suit, ham dinner, etc, and thus support our consumer economy.<br />
By bashing Toyota in typical rush-to-judgement style, they were attempting to turn the American consumer eye toward American-made products. They did it in a half-assed way and it half-assed worked.<br />
But, as Larry said, the 24/7 news cycle can result in serious damage and after reports came out about the death rate of SUV roll-overs, that consumers STILL preferred Toyotas, and the scams certain citizens were perpetrating on Toyota, that damage came back to bite Congress in the ass.<br />
The US auto industry will never return to its former glory but congress has deep pockets and likes to have them filled. Until we get the industry focused on altfuel vehicles, EV or whatever, be prepared to see another circus like this come to town when somebody complains their Honda hybrid suddenly lunged forward or their smartcar has a &#8220;funny&#8221; smell.<br />
Sometimes the inmates do run the asylum&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LarryG</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarryG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NHTSA did admit that they are way behind the bubble on testing vehicle software... but that is not unusual for government to not be proactive.

But what happened to Toyota ... in my view... is they did not pay close enough attention to these incidents that made in onto the 24/7 news cycle and then when they did respond - instead of dealing with it quickly and effectively ..they played stupid little games that made them look guilty even when they were not.

it&#039;s a shame but unfortunately since Toyota is so highly revered for it&#039;s quality, the public held them to a much tougher standard and expected them to not act like other slime-ball car companies... and they failed that test.

I find the comment about the NHTSA interesting in a time when many are saying that the govt is incapable of regulating and each incident like this - proves it - and so that becomes yet another reason to get rid of these agencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NHTSA did admit that they are way behind the bubble on testing vehicle software&#8230; but that is not unusual for government to not be proactive.</p>
<p>But what happened to Toyota &#8230; in my view&#8230; is they did not pay close enough attention to these incidents that made in onto the 24/7 news cycle and then when they did respond &#8211; instead of dealing with it quickly and effectively ..they played stupid little games that made them look guilty even when they were not.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a shame but unfortunately since Toyota is so highly revered for it&#8217;s quality, the public held them to a much tougher standard and expected them to not act like other slime-ball car companies&#8230; and they failed that test.</p>
<p>I find the comment about the NHTSA interesting in a time when many are saying that the govt is incapable of regulating and each incident like this &#8211; proves it &#8211; and so that becomes yet another reason to get rid of these agencies.</p>
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		<title>By: AutoOfficionado</title>
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		<dc:creator>AutoOfficionado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me Toyota has received an excessive amount of bad press - some of which should have been targeted toward the NHTSA, which I feel was a pretty lethargic agency up until Toyota&#039;s floor mats became a problem. I think the aggressive government campaign against Toyota can partly be explained by the fact that a federal agency was a big part of the problem and that the agency&#039;s failures occurred under both Republican and Democratic control. Maybe the possibility of recalls due to steering problems in both BMW Z4 and Mazda3 models will put more attention on the NHTSA as well as the Auto Safety Bill being considered by Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me Toyota has received an excessive amount of bad press &#8211; some of which should have been targeted toward the NHTSA, which I feel was a pretty lethargic agency up until Toyota&#8217;s floor mats became a problem. I think the aggressive government campaign against Toyota can partly be explained by the fact that a federal agency was a big part of the problem and that the agency&#8217;s failures occurred under both Republican and Democratic control. Maybe the possibility of recalls due to steering problems in both BMW Z4 and Mazda3 models will put more attention on the NHTSA as well as the Auto Safety Bill being considered by Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: dahcredyns</title>
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		<dc:creator>dahcredyns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on what evidence, Beth? The government has publicly attacked Toyota, including the Secretary of Transportation claiming he wouldn&#039;t drive a Toyota. Yet, the government&#039;s own research counters their claims.

There is no cover-up in the government. That wouldn&#039;t make any sense. What is there to gain for the government? What government or person exists to make themselves look stupid?

Look at the decades of safety data. It has been safer to drive a Toyota or foreign car for decades.

Instead, of making assumptions, Beth, perhaps you try to do some actual research so you can have an educated opinion, rather than just making silly assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on what evidence, Beth? The government has publicly attacked Toyota, including the Secretary of Transportation claiming he wouldn&#8217;t drive a Toyota. Yet, the government&#8217;s own research counters their claims.</p>
<p>There is no cover-up in the government. That wouldn&#8217;t make any sense. What is there to gain for the government? What government or person exists to make themselves look stupid?</p>
<p>Look at the decades of safety data. It has been safer to drive a Toyota or foreign car for decades.</p>
<p>Instead, of making assumptions, Beth, perhaps you try to do some actual research so you can have an educated opinion, rather than just making silly assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: dahcredyns</title>
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		<dc:creator>dahcredyns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree to an extent, Larry. But, what if Toyota wasn&#039;t really ever at any real fault, especially compared to any other automaker?

From what I read so far, the only &quot;unintended acceleration&quot; case thus not explained by a black box implying driver error was the Officer in San Diego. In that case, the dealer put the wrong floor mat in the wrong car. Such an incident can occur in most vehicles on the road today.

Yet, without any facts the Secretary of Transportation publicly attacked Toyota and said he wouldn&#039;t drive such a vehicle.

Based on what evidence?

Even more interesting, would the same have been said of GM or Chrysler during the same time? Or would the government have waited for the facts so as not to destroy their investment?

That&#039;s not to say that Toyota didn&#039;t have some problems, but in reality - knowing what we know now - were they really any more out of whack compared to the rest of the auto industry? Moreover, based on the last few decades of real world safety information, as well as the historical data of the government&#039;s decades long research into unintended acceleration, I wonder did many Big 3-friendly members of Congress, as well as the majority-Big 3-owning government really care about the truth, or about perceptions and what those perceptions could do for their own self interests?

Since these recalls GM and Chrysler have thrived, while Toyota has declined. This was good for the government, for the UAW, etc. Perhaps it was all just a coincidence, but what a perfect coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree to an extent, Larry. But, what if Toyota wasn&#8217;t really ever at any real fault, especially compared to any other automaker?</p>
<p>From what I read so far, the only &#8220;unintended acceleration&#8221; case thus not explained by a black box implying driver error was the Officer in San Diego. In that case, the dealer put the wrong floor mat in the wrong car. Such an incident can occur in most vehicles on the road today.</p>
<p>Yet, without any facts the Secretary of Transportation publicly attacked Toyota and said he wouldn&#8217;t drive such a vehicle.</p>
<p>Based on what evidence?</p>
<p>Even more interesting, would the same have been said of GM or Chrysler during the same time? Or would the government have waited for the facts so as not to destroy their investment?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that Toyota didn&#8217;t have some problems, but in reality &#8211; knowing what we know now &#8211; were they really any more out of whack compared to the rest of the auto industry? Moreover, based on the last few decades of real world safety information, as well as the historical data of the government&#8217;s decades long research into unintended acceleration, I wonder did many Big 3-friendly members of Congress, as well as the majority-Big 3-owning government really care about the truth, or about perceptions and what those perceptions could do for their own self interests?</p>
<p>Since these recalls GM and Chrysler have thrived, while Toyota has declined. This was good for the government, for the UAW, etc. Perhaps it was all just a coincidence, but what a perfect coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryG</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarryG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was always as much or more about how Toyota acted than what was materially wrong in my view.

They just were just inept in their response and left the impression that they did not have to account to the public for how their software worked (or not).

The 24/7 news cycle can result in serious damage to a company&#039;s credibility if they don&#039;t get in front of the story - quickly.

Ask BP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was always as much or more about how Toyota acted than what was materially wrong in my view.</p>
<p>They just were just inept in their response and left the impression that they did not have to account to the public for how their software worked (or not).</p>
<p>The 24/7 news cycle can result in serious damage to a company&#8217;s credibility if they don&#8217;t get in front of the story &#8211; quickly.</p>
<p>Ask BP.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Mahoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe for one second these Toyota&#039;s are safe.  I bet there is some kind of cover up here, seems there always is..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe for one second these Toyota&#8217;s are safe.  I bet there is some kind of cover up here, seems there always is..</p>
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		<title>By: Hal (GT)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal (GT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now who is going to apologize to Toyota? Will Congress and all those people who called them to the carpet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now who is going to apologize to Toyota? Will Congress and all those people who called them to the carpet?</p>
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