A lot of Leafs blowing around my LA neighborhood
Where a plug-in electric car makes a lot of sense
So, a new Chevy Volt ad finds the Volt telling its gas-guzzling parents that it’s electric. Even when the Volt is at the gas station converting gasoline into electricity, I wonder? Maybe.
Nevertheless, it’s this EV focus that makes it so interesting how many Nissan Leafs are blowing around my neighborhood compared to Chevy Volts.
Technically, GM can claim the Volt is an electric car. For 40 miles the Volt uses nothing but grid-powered electricity, before using an onboard generator to turn gasoline into electricity. Consequently, does it really matter whether that gasoline powers the wheels directly via an engine, or whether the engine converts that gasoline into electricity?
Is gasoline-derived electricity really that much worse than coal-derived electricity?
Of course it is, at least in most circumstances. The fact is, if you’re charging your EV at night, during off-peak hours, in most areas of the US, that energy is much cleaner than converting gasoline into electricity. Likewise, a plain old hybrid like the Prius can use that gasoline more efficiently.
Still, just because the Volt isn’t an efficient EV when powered by gasoline doesn’t mean it’s not an EV. It’s just not a great EV when powered by gasoline.
Which is why I’m guessing that more in my neighborhood are gravitating towards to the Leaf versus the Volt.
My Highland Park neighborhood is about 6 or 7 miles away from the heart of downtown Los Angeles. Even if you have to venture all the way deep into West LA, it’s still only a 20 mile drive. Sure it takes 2 hours to traverse that 20 miles, but with regenerative braking, etc., I’m sure the Leaf’s range is sufficient, even with the AC on high the whole way there and back.
Ultimately, for urban Angelos, the Leaf’s electric range is quite sufficient for most LA commutes.
If you live deep in one of the Valley’s; however, the Leaf’s range could be a problem. For those, that gasoline-powered electricity is a nice backup.
Not that I don’t also see a number of Volts in my neighborhood, but the Leaf is definitely outnumbering the Volt, and that surprises me. But really, it shouldn’t. For most commuters in my neighborhood the Leaf makes greater financial sense than the Volt.
Of course, in a neighborhood — a section of America — where the Prius is easily one of the most common vehicles, it shouldn’t really be surprising that early plug-in adopters are smart enough to realize that the Leaf, and pure electrics, make a lot of urban sense.
For those out in the sticks — I mean the suburbs — the Volt probably makes a lot more sense. Of course, I’ve never understood how it makes sense to live 30,40, 50 miles+ from the city, yet still work in the city. And in such situations, overall, I bet that hybrids like the Prius make more sense. Add a natural gas option, such as the Toyota FT-Bh hybrid suggests, and I don’t think it’s even close.
Regardless, early studies forecast that plug-in hybrids will rule America, but I wonder. The fact that so many Nissan Leafs are blowing around my neighborhood makes me wonder whether plug-in hybrids, or range extended EVs, will come up on the short end of the sales stick long term.
If a pure plug-in doesn’t make sense, then a non-plug-in hybrid probably makes the most sense.
Then again, we live in an automotive culture where making sense just doesn’t make much sense.


Nice car!Good work on such topic.
I have to read out your post and getting features about Chevy Volt.
Thank you
I’ve seen more Chevy Volts in San Francisco than Nissan Leafs. Now that I’ve moved back east, the only ones I’ve seen are in Manchester NH car dealerships. Kind of sad, really.
Unbelievable job mates, I enjoy going through your articles.
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disconcerting…. Tom surely someone must have some idea … I hope.
Haven’t heard a word LarryG. I sure hope he is o.k.
Great Post! Now that you mention it, I have see a ton of these damn Nissan Leafs around the Los Angeles area. I have been online looking for different hybrid used cars in Los Angeles, but I have yet to consider a plug-in hybrid. Thanks for the interesting blog, I will be back!
Any word on Dach?
Interested in hybrid vehicles. This is a good place to start.
its[DOT]ucdavis[DOT]edu/?page_id=10487
“Why would consumers buy plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) and what kind of PHEV would they buy? These are the questions that researchers seek to answer in a multi-year project underway at the UC Davis Plug-in Hybrid & Electric Vehicle Research Center. Among the findings, two are fundamental. First, consumers don’t demand what they don’t know or can’t imagine—and they don’t know the benefits of all-electric driving made possible by some PHEV designs. Second, anyone who wants to promote PHEVs and their benefits to consumers needs to communicate in language consumers understand.”.
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Nope; don’t know what is going on. He did mention about a month or so ago that due to the low volume of hits, he might reduce his efforts.
But that is only speculation on my part.
So what happened to this blog and Dach? Does anyone know?
youtube: “This video has been removed by the user.”
Have a different link?
The Truth behind Hybrids? Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-12PFUgmnpw
Is this blogger oblivious to the facts. Volt sales are creaming leaf sales.
I lease a Volt. I get 50 miles per charge and rarely resort to gasoline. The money I save more than covers my lease payment.
I agree with Tom about California driving being an oxymoron.
The Prius drivers are just as agressive as the Lexus/Mercedes drivers, and all drive as if they have absolutely no interest in saving gas. I guess they assume that all gas savings are accomplished at the factory.
I agree about Arizona as well. Even in a big city like Phoenix, trucks and SUV’s still dominate the roads. We are way behind California on making the transition from large trucks to small cars.
As far as Leafs, the only place I have seen a fair number is in LA. It is also the city with the highest concentration of public charging stations and a place where car pool access can reduce your commute by 30 minutes to an hour.
I saw a few Leafs here in Phoenix last year before the Volt went on sale, but now I see more Volts than Leafs. Considering the latest stories about Leaf batteries in the Arizona heat, I think this trend will continue.
I see Prius’ everywhere……
I sometimes drive in the DC beltway area and I have the same perceptions that Tom has. I’ve yet to see a Leaf “in the wild” but many Prius and a few Volts.
Just back from a trip to Canada and Tom is correct on that – in both the DC area and on most interstate trips – the speed people are going is not conducive to fuel mileage and yes the Prius cars seem to be going just as fast as others with the exception every so often I see a Prius in the right lane putting along.
seems like way more Prius “hypermil” on non-interstates for some reason…
Priuss were really HOT sellers when they were previously allowed solo in the HOV lanes, not so much now although they are still numerous
Dahc
Strange but I just got back from L.A. on Wednesday. Going out of town I hit the I-405 101, 134, 202, and Interstates 15 & 40 on my way to Arizona. I left town at about 10:00am and most of the time my cruise control was set on 72 mph. LOTS of people were passing me at that speed.
I noticed several things about California drivers. They seem to drive quite fast for their crowed roads. Going into town I had to maintain speeds between 75 and 85 mph. Now it doesn’t take a genius to calculate that driving at that speed is not something you want to do if you are trying to get good gas mileage.
Gas prices while I was there spiked from about $3.45/gallon to about $3.75-$3.95 for regular 87 octane fuel. A full $.30-.50/gallon higher than in Arizona. When I got to Arizona where the speed limit is 75, almost everyone was driving between 75 & 80. It doesn’t seem to make any difference if the roads are posted as 55 or 65 or 70 mph, everyone drives 75-80 mph.
So I guess the moral of this story is this. I saw a few Prius but they were driving just as fast as everyone else. I also saw a few Volts but did not notice any Leaf’s. That doesn’t mean there weren’t any – I just didn’t notice them. Some other observations.
1. No one seems to care how much gas costs since the price increase was never a news story on local L.A. TV.
2. Almost no one seemed to drive the posted speed limits regardless of the highway conditions.
3. California has more ‘small cars’ than Arizona.
4. It SEEMS like the number of pickup trucks on the roads is shrinking, and;
5. The air quality was quite good since you could see the mountains from Santa Monica 8 out of the 10 days I was there.
I think we have one heck of a long way to go in America. We need a complete cultural change when it comes to what we drive, when we drive and how fast we drive. Things like road loading by shifting working hours seems to be non existent. Car pool lanes are never filled to capacity even during busy periods.
I am beginning to think it is going to take some type of complete cultural shock to change behaviors.
Dahc,
I think you will find that Nissan Leaf owners use the same amount of gasoline as Chevy Volt owners….they simply use that gasoline in another vehicle…
Yes. Only 2/3 of Chevy Volt owner miles are electric, but nearly “all” of the gasoline miles are on long road trips that are longer than the range of a Nissan Leaf. (95% of my gas usage is on 150+ mile trips). In order for a Nissan Leaf owner to take those trips, he also would have to use a gasoline powered vehicle. Unless his ICE vehicle gets 40 mpg or better, he will probably use more gasoline than he would have used in a Volt.
Very few of the Volt gasoline miles are on trips that are over 40 miles and under 75 miles.
At the same time, very few Nissan Leaf owners have a commute that is 75 miles or more. That is simply cutting it too close. Most Nissan Leaf owners have a commute that is half of the Leaf’s total range. On the other hand, Volt owners will push the envelope of their commute right up to the 40 mile range limit and even beyond, because there is no risk of being stranded.
So if you are looking for a vehicle to drive around town and commute while using no gasoline (or maybe a drop or two), the Leaf and Volt are both good choices. The only difference is which vehicle you want to use for your gasoline powered trips; The Volt or your 2nd ICE vehicle if you choose the Leaf.