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Friday, April 17, 2009

Can Democrats survive cap and trade?

If the EPA claims that CO2 emissions are a danger to the health of Americans, doesn't Congress have to act, even if it means they will lose control of Congress to less environmental, conservative politicians?A Congressional conundrum

I believe that humans have contributed to global warming. I also believe that human caused global warming might have actually prevented an ice age that would have had a devastating impact on the human population. Regardless, it's time to regulate CO2 emissions, even if you don't believe in human-made global warming.

Like it or not regulating CO2 is ultimately about efficiency, and with today's massively growing population, limited resources, and the ever increasing computerization of the world's economy, efficient, clean energy is the only sustainable way forward.

Still, a significant percent of Americans don't agree, and even more don't believe that now, in this recession, is the time to deal with such a monumental issue. Nonetheless, now that the EPA is set to label CO2 emissions a danger to health, doesn't the government have to act? Yet, can Democrats retain control of Congress if they push ahead with a cap and trade plan?

Labels: cap and trade, Congress, global warming

posted by Dahcredyns at 9:55 AM

3 Comments:

Blogger BenDoubleCrossed said...

The Concept of CO2 Cap and Trade is Absurd

The real reason Cap & Trade is being foisted on the world is it creates a 3 trillion dollar commodity market for you guessed it: hot air. Finally politicians have found a way to put a price on their most abundant resource! And for politicians there is no downside as nothing has to be actually produced. The real beneficiaries are the rich special interest who will get wealthier setting up and trading in this new commodities market.

The cost will be past to citizens who will pay more taxes to operate new regulatory bureaucracies and more for goods as business passes the cost along to them.

All this based on the premise that operating automobiles is resulting in global warming. Question: did Fred Flintstones truck fleet cause the last period of global warming or is global warming a cyclical event that is more affected by sun spot cycles. The Earth has had multiple tropical and glacial ages over the millennia. The most recent news is that the oceans of the world will be cooling for the next 25-30 years.

Furthermore, it is my understanding that the most prevalent hot house gas is water vapor. Should citizens of earth try to stop the rain cycle?

And if we are going to implement Cap and Trade who will decide what the optimal CO2 carrying capacity of Earth is?

And there are questions about how to implement financial controls and reliably audit such a system. Will every person and business on the planet be issued C02 permits? Is the permit an asset a business can liquidate when it goes out of business? If a business in California goes out of business and sells its CO2 permit to a company in England, will a new company in California have to find another seller to open his business and replace lost jobs? After all, if there is an optimal CO2 carrying capacity then an increasing population of people and businesses means a lower standard of living and reduced CO2 allotment for each new person or business.

Upon their death can Mom and Dad leave their CO2 permits to their children? Should Mom and Dad be limited to having two children?

What about the countries that do not subscribe to Cap & Trade. Will multi-national companies export new construction and jobs to 3rd world non-subscribing countries? And the flipside, will the people of the Amazon miss out on new opportunities because an American company bought 1000s of acres to be left unused to acquire carbon sequestration credits.

10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a call to everyone to please step outside the right vs. left paradigm. While there are important issues worth debating within this paradigm, all of them will be moot if we do not focus on a much greater issue outside this paradigm. Thomas Jefferson warned of wealth concentrating to such an extent that it threatened the state. Nowadays the media has taught us all very well to ridicule anyone who talks of central banks usurping the power of government. Well now I suppose the media will have to laugh at themselves, as many outlets from Newsweek to the Financial Times of London are openly discussing the creation of a "bank of the world" that will control economic policies of every nation. I invite you to watch this video, which details how this is currently taking place. While it focuses on our current officials' cooperation with these plans, it steps out of the typical political paradigm by highlighting the cooperation of both parties. Please do not look to politicians to protect us. Only we can protect us. And our first step must be to reach out to police and military. Without their cooperation, the global elite won't have the muscle to exercise their will of oppression. Please share this oath-keepers blog with them.

3:27 PM  
Blogger Dahcredyns said...

Ben-

You make a lot of great points.

Under Obama's plan for instance, Cap&Trade would be used to redistribute wealth to those that can't afford the costs of cap and trade.

That could also become a bureaucractic nightmare.

So, I don't disagree that there are endless problems with cap and trade, but also think there endless problems with not taking some sort of drastic action.

The future will be driven by efficiency in my opinion, and a smart CO2 cap and trade program, I believe, could push us in the right direction, even if we later find out CO2 wasn't the worst of our problems.

For instance, methanol fuel cells might be able to capture CO2 and turn it into energy. Creating such a closed loop could end up extremely efficient and cost effective. So, even if CO2 isn't as bad as portrayed, if it could cost effectively be turned into clean energy, why not?

Nonetheless, do you think Americans would vote Democrats out of control of Congress if Dems moved ahead with cap & trade?

Considering the global warming grandstanding by many Democrats, aren't they hypocrites if they don't take action?

Of course, that sort of hypocritical hot air is exactly what is to be expected from politicians - regardless of party - I'd assume.

8:51 AM  

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