It's official, diesel fans are clueless?
So, diesels are more efficient than even diesel hybrids?Boy, diesel fumes must really make diesel fans crazy. Motoring is claiming that the debate is over, diesel vehicles are more fuel efficient than hybrid vehicles.
Forget the fact that a hybrid vehicle could be a diesel hybrid vehicle. Forget tests by Cars.com and Edmunds.com, for example, which have demonstrated conclusively that in urban driving, the Toyota Prius is simply better than a similarly sized diesel vehicle.
What I'd really like to know, is if it takes more oil to produce a gallon of diesel versus a gallon of gasoline, does diesel offer ANY advantage over gasoline in terms of foreign oil dependency?
If diesel engine efficiency is simply counter-balanced by the need for more oil, what's the point?
Labels: Hybrid Vehicles, toyota prius
posted by Dahcredyns at
11:39 AM
9 Comments:
Go to sites like VWVortex to really see how clueless they are...dumbest of the dumb over there.
I know a lot of people like diesel vehicles, and I don't really want to go there, but this diesel v. hybrid comparison just doesn't seem logical.
Love your diesels, but let's not get carried away.
This is obviously stupid. Diesel engines aren't cheap, e.g. Voklswagen Jetta TDI starts from 18.5 (almost as expensive as Prius!).
Nor the diesel fuel itself: it is 10-20% more expensive! ... and each gallon of diesel produces 10% more of carbon dioxide!
PS: and, yes, diesel hybrids are much more efficient.
I like the TDI and I can appreciate why performance-orientated drivers like diesel engines. Still, if you are focused on foreign oil dependency, for example, you just can't say that diesel is a better solution than hybrid vehicles.
Yes, diesel fans, we know that hybrids like the Prius aren't going to end foreign oil dependency, but today's hybrids are going to get more efficient. They are going to push battery technology. They are going to evolve into plug-in hybrid variants.
What can diesel evolve into, other than a diesel hybrid?
Like Diesel, love hybrids. And, yes, like your site!
much appreciated! thanks!
Wow. Author and commenters have no idea what they are talking about. Like, no idea whatsoever.
Ever hear of a little thing called biodiesel?
Ever hear of a little thing called Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel?
Are we ignoring the fact that hybrids require multiple batteries?
"(almost as expensive as Prius!)"
-What's your point? Almost. Not more, almost. No batteries to replace, the option of making your own fuel or buying it locally... I fail to see any valid argument in the article or the comments. All I see is "diesel drivers are teh dyslexic!"
Well, we can play that game too. Morons.
ANON:
Actually you have no clue what you are talking about.
Big whoop...we all know what ULSD is...wow...what a revelation from you.
ULSD is also very expensive to process. WHY? Obviously you know right? Probably not.
You also know (I'm sure) that it requires more crude to produce diesel fuel...right?
Biodiesel? What about it? You make it sound like it's the solution to all our problems. That's about as ignorant and stupid as anyone who thinks hybrids are the solution to our problems.
The biggest problem with people like you is this:
The IC engine has been around for over 100 years now...yet the hybrid concept (a functional one at least) has been around probably roughly a decade.
In that decade, hybrids have been able to outclass IC engines in efficiency, cleanliness, fuel economy. Are you really that stupid to think hybrid and alternative energy options are all standing still in terms of progress yet diesel is make strides and bounds progress forward? Really? Are you that dim?
Can you compare batteries of 20 years ago to batteries today? Do you think we may not be able to offer different hybrid solutions other than batteries perhaps one day?
Just to edumacate you a little...HYBRID means multiple technologies...it doesn't have to mean IC and BATTERY. I hope you can understand that.
Also, using diesels offers no solution as to us not stopping the use of crude oil or oils in general. Yes..you get better fuel economy...at a price. It's more expensive, it takes TWICE AS MUCH crude, and it's dirty...no matter how you cut it.
Diesel lovers are like muscle car owners...they can't see anything but their own viewpoints. Dim as hell, narrow minded as ever, and stuck on one technology even if it means you look like an absolute idiot in the process.
Also, what batteries are we replacing? That's been a complete non-issue, but it's obvious you don't really care about facts.
Likewise, just to take one of Noz's points a little further, hybrid technology can be utilized to incorporate both diesel and biodiesel fuels.
In fact, if you're so smart, then you would know that biodiesel cannot replace petroleum, but a biodiesel hybrid could sure make biodiesel go a lot further, and as hybrids move into the next generation of battery technology, they could make your biodiesel go a lot further - along the way making the batteries required for plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles more economical.
Then, again, who needs those technologies when diesel can end foreign oil dependency and global warming all by itself.
BTW - Thanks for helping to prove the point of the post.
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