Diesel, biodiesel, and ethanol not enough
Even hybrid cars, or plug-in hybrid vehicles do not push the envelope of auto technology far enoughFlex-fuel plug-in diesel/gasoline hybrid vehicles can completely change America's national energy paradigm - long before fuel cell vehicles become either cost-effective or technologically feasible.
Such vehicles could easily achieve well over 100 miles per gallon, utilizing gasoline, diesel, ethanol, biodiesel, or combinations, while completely ending foreign oil dependency. (more)
Labels: clean diesel, Ethanol, Flex-fuel, Foreign Oil Dependency, fuel efficiency, Hybrid Vehicles, plug-in hybrids
posted by Dahcredyns at
1:17 PM
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The Answer:
Hybrid, flex fuel (capable of gas, diesel, bio-fuel), plug in.
Batteries charged using solar panels on home. Bio fuel from nearby agricultural waste (brocholli, culliflower, etc.)
maybe you should read up on technology before you spot off about it through your anus. electric cars were out ten years ago, and they worked. no less htan five automakers will have all-electric vehicles in production within two years. oh yea, and they'll be affordable. oh yea, and they're quicker than gasoline cars...
Hybrid is the future. By 2010, anyone without a hybrid car will be driving a gas guzzling antique.
100 miles to the gallon “plug in Hybrid”
Someone would have you believe that putting extra batteries in a hybrid car will suddenly get you 100 miles to the gallon. Hmmm. So let me get this straight, you want me to buy an extra set of batteries which are heavy and put them in my car to extend my range which makes sense to a point because I would have extra battery power for longer trips.
You would also have me believe that now with my extra weight, errr batteries the “gas” mileage will go up as well? That is a pretty neat trick if it worked that way. If extra fuel and weight made cars more fuel efficient then why are they getting smaller and lighter?
Use your brain people an extra battery will put extra strain on the running gear of your car which was NOT designed for that extra weight and it will LOWER your “gas” mileage not raise it.
What the sales man will not tell you in so many words is that the extra miles the car will travel are NOT on “gas” alone. They attribute the extra mileage to the new battery so they can sell you a battery but call it “gas mileage”
100 miles to the gallon? No, you put one gallon in that Hybrid and see how far that one-gallon will get you with NO extra battery. Then put the extra battery in that car and you will see the “gas” mileage go down because of the extra weight not up.
Are they lying to you? Yes!
How can they get away with it? Gas mileage is a term that is for the most part not properly used any more. Most people will say gas mileage in reference to diesel vehicles as well as electric vehicles because we grew up with the term “gas mileage” as a convenient reference to the performance of the vehicle. I.E. How much of whatever you put in versus how far the car will go. “Gas Mileage”
In regards to the “Plug in Hybrids” claim of 100 miles to the gallon. What they forget to tell you is the car does NOT go 100 miles on a gallon of the gas you buy for it alone but rather a combination of the electric power and gas. Now you will get Less actual “gas” mileage and more range because of the extra battery. You will still pay for both the gas (which you will now buy more of not less) and the Kilowatt-hours you use to charge the batteries where you did not have to pay to charge the batteries before.
Are you saving anything in the long run? Nope, your just buying an expensive battery to go further.
That battery is going to put extra strain on a vehicle that was not designed to carry the extra weight.
And now you have a battery to pay to charge as well.
100 miles to the gallon of what exactly?
I'm putting my money on the E-REV concept used in the Chevy Volt. One powertrain (electric) coupled to the wheels. Beyond that the sky is the limit when trying to get the electricity to the motor.
1) Lion batteries (the primary storage)
2) onboard gas engine running at most efficient RPM
3) Diesel generator in teh same configuration as #2
then you could throw Ethanol, E85, E100, or any combination of Biodiesel into the mix as well.
4) solar power (at home, carports, etc)
5) grid electricity
6) fuel cell generator (on board if needed)
7) NG turbine generator
8) propane generator
any of these items can be placed on the vehicle (determined more by the size of the vehicle than anything else) and you wouldn't need to change ANY of the engine configuration.
For example: One model of city transit bus could be created which would allow multiple different avenues of power generation. You could even swap out power generating "modules" from the back of the bus if you wanted.
The power would be completely uncoupled from the drivetrain, allowing more efficient modularity. Just like you can bring an NG generator, Coal-Fired generator or Hydroelectric generator online and the grid doesn't really care, your vehicle could be the same way.
Hybrids are the future, but there is no need to have two different drivetrains in the vehicle.
caviary-
pure electric vehicles are a joke. give me a break. there is now way that they could be mass-produced in a way that could replace our current fleet. maybe you should read up on technology.
hydrogen powered fuel cell cars work, too, don't they, but there isn't a hydrogen highway and many of the supplies to make them aren't available, especially when you're talking about tens of millions of vehicles per year.
open up your mind. flex-fuel plug-in hybrids are very fungible , particularly considering today's energy paradigm.
to think we can just instantly convert to pure electric vehicles just doesn't make sense in the real world. if anybody has there head up there anus, its you.
darkelf-
i generally agree with you, but i'm not calling a series hybrid better than a parallel hybrid when it comes to either conventional hybrid technology, or plug-in hybrid technology.
I think driving conditions and charging capabilities, might make each powertrain more advantageous in different scenarios.
cost is going to be a big factor if we want plug-in technology to emerge as quickly as possible. it'll be interesting to see how costs play out in these technologies.
i guess i think there is room for both.
The real Truth!
We keep hearing that there isn't a infra-structure to make hydrogen a reality in the USA. Actually there is if GM, Ford, Chrysler get smart and decide to put hydrogen fill up stations across the nation at existing Auto Dealerships!
Bill_G. (CA)
The real Truth!
We keep hearing that there isn't a infra-structure to make hydrogen a reality in the USA. Actually there is if GM, Ford, Chrysler get smart and decide to put hydrogen fill up stations across the nation at existing Auto Dealerships!
Yes, Toyota, Honda, Nissan and others could also make this a quick and easy way to change the "Gas Station" as we now think of it.
Bill_G. (CA)
The only obstacle in developing fuel efficient or fossil fuel free vehicle is the oil companies
We all know what the answere is, but it would mean true independance for the consumer, and we just can't have that. Imagine fueling up AT HOME, FOR FREE, AND EVEN SELLING YOUR EXCESS ELECTRICTY BACK TO THE GRID. And oh yea, don't forget, the only emmissions are clean, drinkable water...Someone ask Jamie Lee Curtis how she likes HER Fuel Cell Vehicle. Anybody ever heard of Auckem's Razor? (no, I'm not sure of the spelling of Dr. Auckem's name.)why worry about how many miles per gallon when you don't need any gas, or diesel, or ethanol at all, EVER?
American auto corporations ahead technologically over foreign car manufacturers such as MB, VW/audi,BMW, Porsche, or even citroen/renault?? Is this a big joke?
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